In the podcast episode the internet has been screaming for, two of the most-watched women in the Kelsey family dynasty finally sat down for a revealing, hilarious, and shockingly candid conversation. Kylie Kelce, the beloved and refreshingly down-to-earth wife of Jason Kelce, welcomed her mother-in-law and America’s favorite NFL mom, Donna Kelce, to her “Not Gonna Lie” podcast. The result was an explosion of untold stories, heartfelt revelations, and the kind of chaotic family energy that has made the Kelces a global phenomenon.

And yes, they talked about her.

In a moment that fans have been desperate for, both Kylie and Donna spoke glowingly about the family’s newest addition to the suite, Taylor Swift. The title of the podcast itself teased the conversation, but the genuine affection was palpable. Donna, who has navigated the storm of global media with grace, described the pop icon in the simplest, most powerful terms. “Taylor, she’s a dream,” Donna gushed, her voice softening. “What hits me deepest is her realness… She’s just Taylor. Grounded, sweet, always checking on Travis.”

Kylie, who has been navigating her own rise in the public eye, echoed the sentiment, confirming that Swift isn’t just a guest but a genuine part of the fold. “She’s woven right in,” Kylie said, “making game days feel like pop-up concerts.” The segment, which also teased a “hilarious first date mishap” for Travis and Taylor’s “secret recipe” for tailgates, confirmed what many suspected: the family’s embrace of the superstar is total and authentic.

But while the “Traylor” talk may have been the hook, the heart of the episode was an intimate and laugh-out-loud look at the unbelievable chaos of raising the two men who would one day become NFL legends. The conversation provided a stark, hilarious contrast between Donna’s life as a “boy mom” and Kylie’s current world as a “girl mom” to four daughters.

“The thing that just amazes me,” Donna explained to Kylie, “is how they will sit down and do a craft… That wasn’t my experience.” Her experience? “Constantly running around, jumping off of things, getting into trouble, you know, running out the door, starting the car up when they were three.”

She painted a vivid picture for Kylie, comparing a soccer field of girls “playing soccer” against a field of boys. The girls, she noted, would get in a circle and kick the ball. The boys? “One’s, you know, playing basketball with the soccer ball, they are, you know, hitting each other, they’re wrestling on the floor… they’re doing everything but what they’re told to do.”

This set the stage for the true bombshells: the legendary, almost-unbelievable stories from the Kelce family archives.

First came the tale that has become family lore, the story of Jason and the knives. Donna, having just returned from work, went upstairs to change. “I hear from across the street this person calling, ‘Oh my god, he’s got a knife!’” Donna recalled. “And I knew who it was immediately.” She ran outside in nothing but her shorts and a bra to find a young Jason, who had climbed the high cabinets where she kept all sharp objects, standing in the front yard. “Jason was literally throwing it up in the air and it would come down and hit the ground,” she said, adding that Travis was just standing by, watching the mayhem.

If that wasn’t enough to give a mother a heart attack, the chaos was apparently a regular occurrence. Donna shared that Jason, before he was even walking, used to play a game of “headbutt” with his father, Ed. It was all fun until he tried it on his grandmother. “He pretty much knocked… my grandmother out,” Donna said, deadpan. In another incident, a young Jason “picked up a hairdryer and hit me over the head, and I saw stars on that one.”

But lest Jason take all the credit for the mayhem, Donna made it clear that Travis was a different, more fearless brand of trouble. While Donna described Jason as the elder child who would “tend to listen and follow the rules,” Travis “isn’t a rule follower.” He “runs to the tune of his own drum.”

This was proven in what is perhaps the most defining story of their childhood. Donna, who had to keep her car keys hidden just like the knives, was in the bathroom for a brief moment. Travis, then just three years old, saw his opportunity. “Travis for some reason was opening up the drawers and he was climbing up them… to get to the keys,” Donna recounted. She came out to find both boys sitting in the locked car. “Travis would watch us like a hawk,” she explained. “He knew exactly what we were doing. He knew how to unlock the car door, get into it… put the keys in the car, he knew exactly what to do, and turned it on.” The car, a manual, “jumped and went right through the garage door.”

This, Donna explained, is why she sees so much of her sons in Kylie’s daughters. She identifies Wyatt, the oldest, as being the most like Jason, recalling a “tough moment” from her toddlerhood that gave Donna “PTSD.” And Ellie, the fearless second child? “She’s the one that throws herself off the couch without abandon,” Donna said, “She has no fear.” She’s the Travis.

Beyond the wild anecdotes, the podcast revealed the deep, affectionate bond between the two Kelce women. Donna shared her memory of meeting Kylie for the first time at an Eagles game, joking that everyone was relieved Jason finally had a girlfriend. “I was just really impressed with… how you carried yourself and how articulate you were,” Donna told Kylie, “I was thrilled to death.” They also shared the origin of Donna’s grandmother name, “Dee,” which she “selfishly” chose, hoping her grandkids would say her name before “Da da.”

The full conversation was a masterclass in family, relatability, and the loving chaos that forges unbreakable bonds. It was a glimpse behind the jerseys and the “Lombardi chases” to the stories that started it all. From knife-throwing toddlers to car-crashing preschoolers, the episode proves that the Kelce empire wasn’t just built on talent, but on an extraordinary amount of love, patience, and perhaps, pure maternal survival.